Get Rid of the Holiday Displays

UPDATE: Washington state’s Department of General Administration has declared a moratorium on any new requests to place holiday displays in the state capitol building. Link: seattletimes.nwsource.com ======================================= The recent controversy regarding the atheist placard that’s part of a holiday display in the Washington state capitol building demonstrates yet again why religious and religion-related displays have no place on public property. A few links. The Seattle Times report back in late October 2008, announcing the approval of permits for both the Nativity scene and the placard from the Freedom from Religion Foundation to be on display in the capitol building during the holiday season: seattletimes.nwsource.com The media release from the Freedom from Religion Foundation: www.ffrf.org Washington State’s General Administration Department’s online statement about the controversy: www.ga.wa.gov Bill OReilly and Laura Ingraham carrying on about, demagoging, and misstating the facts and law vis-a-vis the inclusion of the atheist placard in the Washington holiday display: www.youtube.com Fox News’s Megyn Kelly attempts to give Bill OReilly a primer on the law relevant to the holiday display in Washington’s capitol building, but Mr. OReilly just wants to yell and bang on the table: www.youtube.com County of Allegheny v. American Civil Liberties Union (one of the leading cases on holiday displays on public property, and the one from which I quote in the

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28 Replies to “Get Rid of the Holiday Displays”

  1. @HeyRuka I’ve done the same with the Nativity scene I inherited from my grandmother.

  2. I like the meaning and symbolism behind the menorah so I have kept all of my old menorahs as a cultural reminder.

  3. Which bans all displays “not owned by the county” and the find print is that the religious displays were then donated to the county to allow them to go up while excluding our Tree of Knowledge.

  4. Thanks, that is pretty much where we are now. The Freethought Society can’t force the other displays off of public property, so we are seeking a place at the table as it were. For the last three years we got that place although it has been a fight every time. Every year the county tries to find new ways to force us and us alone off of the courthouse lawn while trying to preserve the other displays. This year we will probably loose that fight due to the County’s new “Regulation 58-10” (cont.)

  5. @jrhd00d84 “Taking the 1st amendment and dissecting it will in the end be dangerous to our nation.”

    Dissecting it?

  6. How about all the symbols and symbolism of statues and architecture? Especially at airports. There are some weird looking statues at airports. Like what are these things? Couldn’t those be considered as some kind of symbol of some kind of weird religion by the elite? Inside the Denver international airport they have murals of the apocalypse and promote Masonry. Taking the 1st amendment and dissecting it will in the end be dangerous to our nation.

  7. I don’t think that Christmas or Chanukah decorations on public property amount to an endorsement of religion. If there were placards of Christian or Jewish dogma, that would be a different story. As far as I have observed, baby Jesus is never accompanied by a sign that says “I am the Son of God: worship me,” that might be the equivalent of the atheist sign asserting that there is no god.

    But lest that qualify upside-down, burning crosses to be displayed, it may be best to allow none.

  8. Ha! Interesting thoughts and clever delivery. I’m posting my challenge to Christians (which I’d bet ex-Christians are better at answering than most current Christians) as a response…. I wonder how many people know what’s really written in those books in the bible about the “Christmas story”?

  9. That sign was put up NOT to make a point so much as to just piss people off. It looks like mission accomplished.

  10. Great video, I can’t stand the playing of the victim card whenever a religious person in the states sees a message in favor of atheism or in criticism of god/religion.

    How fragile must one’s belief and faith be to take offense to someone stating an opinion on the existence of god?

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